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hi ladies... ISA, how are you doing? Sorry about af. :-( COL, welcome back! Glad you survived your training - it sounded pretty tough! You are one busy woman! SANN, how are you today? Still have high temps? I'm on cd8 and keeping going back and forth between being hopeful and not. I have had some symptoms similar to the month I got pg, but I've had that happen before. Went in for the progesterone test yesterday. I should hear the results tomorrow, I think. Had a dream this morning where I went in for an u/s and they said I was having twins!!! I was so happy in the dream. Hoping maybe there's something to it. Anyway, hope everyone has a great day! I'll check back later today.

Hello ladies : ) ISA ... sorry af showed : ( Re : Low bbt ... what did your doc say about it? I had low bbt too my first mth started temping but I can't remember what my physician said about low bbt(will check with her again). It was only after being on meds for 2 / 3 cycles, my bbt started to rise a little. Now ... my bbt stablising @ 98.0 before ov. VAL ... Still so far so good, temp's a little higher this morning (99.37F/37.1C). Well ... finally I had some symptons, headache, some tingling(needle like prick) feeling and feeling sleepy in the late afternoon, felt all those the last time before the bpf ... I'm not thinking too much in it yet. Thought I was the only one having these weird dreams about twins, I've been searching the boards for it. Didn't had any baby dreams the last time. Anyway ... mine was, I gave birth to twins boys and they were running about already .... have it a couple of nights in a roll. Woman ... maybe we should a new post ask the pg mummies whether they had it before they tested +ve. Progesterone test ...RE ordered it ??? Cd31/ 9dpo ... counting 6days to testing. COL ... you're home and still busy busy? It's 2am, time for bed. Take care all : )

hi ladies... hope everyone is doing well. My update: 10dpo and depressed. Got my progesterone level back yesterday: 8.8, which isn't great. I've read on the "circles" at Fertility Friend of women being pg with lower progesterone, but I just have that sinking feeling that it's out. I spoke with the nurse at the RE's office yesterday and she said that I should send my chart at the end of each cycle for them to assess, and also to send the progesterone test results. She said that the dr seemed to think that IUI is my best chance. But if that's the case, I still have one more clomid cycle and the hsg cycle to go before we start IUI. I was feeling so positive a few days ago and now I'm just totally down. Feel like crawling back in bed and staying there all day, but I have to go teach and then we have 2 parties to go to today. I'm really not in the mood. :-(

Hi Val ... Sorry you're feeling down. Which cd was test done(sorry I can't recall)? Which cd did you get a +ve on the opk? How's your temps? You might want to consider all these factors before feeling down, hah : ) Cheer up, girl ... it's not over yet ... lots of women get pg with low levels and 8.8 isn't a bad number : ) Hope you're feeling better today.

Good morning ladies, sorry I have been away from you lately , its just as Val said , I was so busy, and I am trying to minimize all the stress I have around me. Val, I know it will be stupid to say , don’t be down, just have faith, I know its hard to control such feelings, but all what I can say, it did happen to you before, and you got pregnant, so it will happen again, its just a matter of time, and it could be any minute. I am not an expert with the progesterone level, I don’t know what the normal is or the average, but I know one thing, it does not matter all of these things, when it’s the time it will happen. How many stories we read on the net, about women who got pregnant with no logic or scientific approach to explain how that happened, so, just have faith. Sann, hope you are doing well, noticed you are in a good mode lately, I am so happy for you, keep it up, what are your updates?
My updates, I am on CD 12, no O yet. My last period was the weirdest period I ever had, I am not sure is it the stress of the training and being away from home, or something else, but its fine now. Please keep posting when ever you have the chance. TTYL

ISA, welcome to our gruop, sorry i did not notice your question about the book. its a very good book by the way, it gives you lots of hope , and gives you diffrent approch to the whole firtility thing. i would recommend it. ttyl

hi ladies...thanks for your support and encouragement. I am feeling a bit better today. We went to 2 parties last night (one where several of us played music, and the other was a couples wedding shower), and I had quite a bit to drink, which I think helped my mood! Dh and I had been bickering and I just wasn't feeling social, but I ended up having a lot of fun and meeting some really nice new people. It's funny, last month the same thing happened around 9dpo - I got in a really bad mood but felt better the next day after a bit of an attitude adjustment. My temps went up today (11dpo) but they did that last month as well, so I'm not getting my hopes back up. I guess the bright side to the progesterone number is that maybe we have finally figured out what the problem is and can take steps to solve it. I'm supposed to send my charts and test results to my RE and maybe he'll recommend something for next cycle. SANN - I got a +opk on cd18, and fertility friend thinks I o'd on cd19. I had the progesterone tested on cd26 which was 7dpo. You can check out my chart at http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/c41d5 (remove any dashes). Hope you are all doing well today. SANN, when are you testing? You must be 13dpo? Did you say you were going to test around 17dpo if no af??? Man, the tww is just the hardest part of each cycle.

Hi gals, no news here, cd 7 so just waiting for my ovulation. Sann with temps up high its a great sign, sorry val that you dont think this is your month but keep positive thinking anyways. They can always give you progesterone if you are pg. to help out. Its not over til af shows full flow. Col, hope O comes your way soon.

Good morning ladies : ) COL ... glad to hear from you. You're probably on cd13, time for bd, yah! Have you got ewcm yet? It's a good ideal to start bd'ing every other day from cd12 ... according to my docs. You're so right about stress, it drives our hormones wacko. Last cycle for me was the longest and weirdest I ever had. I hope this would be your month : ) VAL ... Glad you had fun at the parties. I'm also glad to know RE's asking/assessing for your charts. Did I tell you this ... both my docs, they request for my charts to be assess(on every visit and it didn't matter if it was a "completed cycle" or not ... especially my physician). I was told ... our bbt gives a good picture to the hormonal changes throughout our cycle (but some docs feel that it's debatable). However, it isn't just charting temps every morning, she wants to me note down details too (i.e. daily events) ... having very spicy/fried foods for dinner the night before could cause a rise in temp the next morning and drinking soy milk/eating bean spouts (after ov) can cause low bbt. I'm not a specfic diet but I have to be careful with I eat before and after ov. Your naturopath will be able give a better picture when he/she takes your pulse(both left and right hand) and looks at your tougue. Hey ... 7dpo isn't that far along for progesterone to build up and it's takes 24-36hrs for ov to happen after a +ve opk. Both my docs said, to only count the days after temp peak (when I see a plateau of high temps) which means progesterone levels has risen. When did you temps started to peak? Sorry ... I haven't had the chance to take a look at your chart yet(stuck with work). I'll try to tomorrow and it isn't over till af shows .... cheer up : ) ISA ... did you get your test results back yet? I read ... some women get pg while waiting to do ivf .. I hope it happens for you too : ) My updates ...16dpo/cd36, my temps had been constant for the past 3 mornings @ 99.64F/37.2C and bbs hurt ... no other signs at all. Oh! maybe "one mood swing day" ... got totaly irritated/angry with everything/everyone. Dh got the brunt of it ... felt really guilty after that : ( Other that one occasion ... my mood has been good. My docs said to test end this week if af doesn't show. Anyway ... I'm not counting on my temps till I see my physician and ob/gynae this Friday. Good luck to everyone : )

Sann, 16 dpo and in the 99s and you havent tested? Holy cow, I dont even get mine above 98.4 after ovulation and that is a stretch. Mine after ovulation are around 97.8, 97.9 (my pre ovulation are as low as 96.7 to 97.1). Wow I would would test the minute I saw them in the 99s but then thats me. Where are your temps for the other days post ovulation? Are they all high too compared to your pre ovulation? I have one more test on Friday and i dont know when I will get my results back but even though some get pg before ivf and on breaks its different in my situation because of my genetic problem as I may have no eggs. People in my condition are normal infertile by their teens, and those that get af usually stop af by 20s early 30s at the latest. The fact that I get a weak af still is amazing but there are only 100 reported cases (yes only 100) of natural pg's with my condtion so its a realllly long shot. That is why we need to do ivf to see if I even have eggs and what quality they are. Most in my condition need donor eggs and in Canada its way different than the USA and its very difficult to get donor eggs and you cant pick. You get what you get if your lucky enough to get one and there are at least 7 on the list at my clinic alone ahead of me. But its not an option for us. If my eggs are bad or non existant we dont have the money to then try donor as its more than what a regular ivf is. Anyways I'm sad as I just got word that a friend and cousin both just had their babies and both are very fertile with getting pg right away. One the first time they tried and the 2nd one the first month a chem pg, 2nd month a pregancy and then the 2nd time around for child #2 the 3rd month trying. ugh.

hi ladies. ISA, sounds like you have limited options... I'm sorry - that must be really difficult. And I'm totaly with you about being frustrated hearing about people who get pg easily. I'm dreading the next call from any friend who says they are pg. I'd be happy for them but I just don't want to hear about it right now. SANN, your temps sound great! Does your luteal phase usually vary much? My money is on you, woman! But I think I'm out of it for this month, or will be by tonight or tomorrow. My temps are back down to 98.4 which is where they normally fall to right before af shows up. And my symptoms (bloating and irritability) are gone. That combined with the low progesterone number (I think it really should have been over 15, especially on a medicated cycle) make me think this one is over. Hopefully this next cycle will stay on target with ovulation at 19 days because dh leaves for a business trip right after Labor Day weekend. I'm still bummed out and kind of angry that only my ND was calling for my prog to be tested. And the nurse at the RE's office had the nerve to say that I really shouldn't have other doctors ordering tests!! I could see if they didn't want other doctors prescribing meds without consulting, but not wanting a test? A test is just information! And my ND has been the only one of all my doctors to actually order tests that have come up with possible explanations for my fertility issues (first the thyroid test, and now the prog test.) Sorry for the rant, but the nerve of some of these nurses/doctors really gets to me. I don't want to sit here for another 5 months and then find out my problem was something that could have easily been tested for. Grrrr...

Val, i think if your doctor is not on board for doing tests than you should look for a new one. Seriously if any of my docs didnt get on board with my other ones I drop him and get a supportive one. More than anything with infertility we need support and doctors are our main source for info and if they won't let you get tests done go to one that will. the more info you have the better you will be in the long run. I think some docs are only out to make money and if we dont know certain things about ourselves they can make more money off of us. I'm sorry it doesnt look like it will work for you this month. Gee your 98.4 is the highest I've ever had on a post ovulation (and that was only 1 x) shows how different peoples cycles are eh. If you think you have a low prog problem it is often times picked up in your charting but if you only need it to hold a pregnancy it is so easy to get in pill form and in suppository form. Can your ND get you to a doctor that would be supportive to get this testing done? ND's try and find the root of the problem and MD's don't so maybe the ND can find you someone else for fertility also. Sann have you tested yet ? Col did you get your O yet?

Hello ladies, looks each one of us has her own story to tell. : ) : ). Sann, I am keeping you in my prayers, your temps are very promising, its about time for one of us to do something, please one of you ladies break this, and get us a BFP, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. : ) : ) . VAL, I hear what you are saying, MDs are just a pain in ….. as
ISA said, they only care for money and business, my MD did not bother to call and tell me what was the results of my ultrasound, I had to call and ask, then he said, yes everything is normal, this is something very important to me you ………. If this is not something important for you to tell me, I wonder what is. Anyway, Val, If I were you I would listen to my ND, she sounds like she knows her stuff. Good luck. ISA, have you concedered seeing an ND? She did help me a lot, for example, my period now is so regular, I ovulate CD 14 sharp. Please conceder this option. Oh ISA, for the temps issue, Mine too very low comparing to both Sann and Val, I am exactly the same like yours, the maximum I had was 98.4. I think its something to do with the weather in where you live : ) : ) my updates, I am still seeing my ND, having Acupuncture sessions, I had one just this morning. I am thinking seriously of taking time off, really long time off, at least 3 months. I need to take care of myself; I have been running like crazy for a very long time. Its time for me to relax. What do you think ladies?? Good luck to everyone. Sann, please test and let us know. TTYL

Col I really am thinking about seeing an ND but dont really know about how to find one that I can trust and that would be fertility knowledgeable. Any suggestions? I used to see one years ago but I dont live in that city anymore and have no idea how to even contact her. I do ovulate, no problems there, never has been. I am not sure about your theory about where we live but I know I still fall within the norms even if its the low norms. Gearing up for possible sept/october ivf I am also thinking about trying acupuncture again but i also tried it about 5 or so years ago and muscles flipped out in my legs and she said some people just cant have it and I was one of them. Well, maybe it was her and not me?

Good morning ISA, about my theory about where we live, I meant people who lives in worm areas in this world, tend to have higher temps than people who lives in colder temperatures. I wish you the best with your IVF, but wanted to add, that acupuncture increase your chances of success, it’s a proven theory. Read this article. http://www.pregnancy-info.net
/infertility_acupuncture.html
the ND I am seeing, she is in Oakville, Ontario. And I think she is great. If you want I can provide you with her contact info. Sann, Val, what is going on? Any updates? Today is my 1dpo. CD15. TTYL

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